Talmudology on the Parsha, Tetzaveh: Lux et Veritas

שמות 28:30

וְנָתַתָּ֞ אֶל־חֹ֣שֶׁן הַמִּשְׁפָּ֗ט אֶת־הָאוּרִים֙ וְאֶת־הַתֻּמִּ֔ים וְהָיוּ֙ עַל־לֵ֣ב אַהֲרֹ֔ן בְּבֹא֖וֹ לִפְנֵ֣י יְהֹוָ֑ה וְנָשָׂ֣א אַ֠הֲרֹ֠ן אֶת־מִשְׁפַּ֨ט בְּנֵי־יִשְׂרָאֵ֧ל עַל־לִבּ֛וֹ לִפְנֵ֥י ה׳ תָּמִֽיד׃       

And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Tummim; and they shall be upon Aharon’s heart, when he goes in before the Lord: and Aharon shall bear the judgment of the children of Yisra᾽el upon his heart before the Lord continually.

In this week’s parsha are the long and detailed lists of what the Priests (the Cohanim) and the High Priest (Cohen Gadol) should wear, and instructions for producing them. Once he (it is alway a he) is suited up, the High Priest puts on a breastplate of 12 stones, and then two additional somethings called the Urim and the Tummim.

No one is quite sure what these were or how they were supposed to work. Rashi, following the Talmud (Yoma 73b) explains them this way:

רשי, שמות 28:30

את האורים ואת התמים. הוּא כְּתָב שֵׁם הַמְפֹרָשׁ, שֶׁהָיָה נוֹתְנוֹ בְּתוֹךְ כִּפְלֵי הַחֹשֶׁן, שֶׁעַל יָדוֹ הוּא מֵאִיר דְּבָרָיו וּמְתַמֵּם אֶת דְּבָרָיו

את האורים ואת התמים — This was an inscription of the Proper Name of God which was placed between the folds (i. e. the two pieces forming the front and back) of the breast-plate through which it (the breast-plate) made its statements clear (lit., illuminated its words; מאיר from אור, light, this being an allusion to the אורים) and its promises true (מתמם from the root תמם, an allusion to תמים).

The function of the Urim Vetummim becomes more evident from an episode in the First Book of Shmuel in which Saul inquires of them as to whether he should continue a series of battles with the Philistines:

שמואל א, 14:37-42

וַיִּשְׁאַ֤ל שָׁאוּל֙ בֵּֽאלֹהִ֔ים הַֽאֵרֵד֙ אַחֲרֵ֣י פְלִשְׁתִּ֔ים הֲתִתְּנֵ֖ם בְּיַ֣ד יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וְלֹ֥א עָנָ֖הוּ בַּיּ֥וֹם הַהֽוּא׃ וַיֹּ֣אמֶר שָׁא֔וּל גֹּ֣שֽׁוּ הֲלֹ֔ם כֹּ֖ל פִּנּ֣וֹת הָעָ֑ם וּדְע֣וּ וּרְא֔וּ בַּמָּ֗ה הָ֥יְתָ֛ה הַחַטָּ֥את הַזֹּ֖את הַיּֽוֹם׃ כִּ֣י חַי־יְהֹוָ֗ה הַמּוֹשִׁ֙יעַ֙ אֶת־יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל כִּ֧י אִם־יֶשְׁנ֛וֹ בְּיוֹנָתָ֥ן בְּנִ֖י כִּ֣י מ֣וֹת יָמ֑וּת וְאֵ֥ין עֹנֵ֖הוּ מִכל־הָעָֽם׃ וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֶל־כל־יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל אַתֶּם֙ תִּֽהְיוּ֙ לְעֵ֣בֶר אֶחָ֔ד וַֽאֲנִי֙ וְיוֹנָתָ֣ן בְּנִ֔י נִהְיֶ֖ה לְעֵ֣בֶר אֶחָ֑ד וַיֹּאמְר֤וּ הָעָם֙ אֶל־שָׁא֔וּל הַטּ֥וֹב בְּעֵינֶ֖יךָ עֲשֵֽׂה׃וַיֹּ֣אמֶר שָׁא֗וּל אֶל־יְהֹוָ֛ה אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל הָ֣בָה תָמִ֑ים וַיִּלָּכֵ֧ד יוֹנָתָ֛ן וְשָׁא֖וּל וְהָעָ֥ם יָצָֽאוּ׃ וַיֹּ֣אמֶר שָׁא֔וּל הַפִּ֕ילוּ בֵּינִ֕י וּבֵ֖ין יוֹנָתָ֣ן בְּנִ֑י וַיִּלָּכֵ֖ד יוֹנָתָֽן׃


And Sha᾽ul asked counsel of God, Shall I go down after the Pelishtim? wilt Thou deliver them into the hand of Yisra᾽el? But he answered him not that day. And Sha᾽ul said, Draw near, all you chiefs of the people: and know and see wherein this sin has been this day. For, as the Lord lives, who saves Yisra᾽el, though it be in Yonatan my son, he shall surely die. But there was not a man among all the people that answered him. Then said he to all Yisra᾽el, Be you on one side, and I and Yonatan my son will be on the other side. And the people said to Sha᾽ul, Do what seems good to thee.Therefore Sha᾽ul said to the Lord God of Yisra᾽el, Give a perfect lot. And Sha᾽ul and Yonatan were picked: but the people escaped. And Sha᾽ul said, Cast lots between me and Yonatan my son. And Yonatan was picked.

So the Urim and the Tummim (or at least the Tummim) were a device used to cast lots. They were used for (and this is going to be the word of the week) cleromancy - divination by means of casting lots.

How did Yale end up with that Seal?

Why did the Urim and Tummim end up in Hebrew on the Seal of Yale University? And what are those Latin words underneath the Hebrew ones?

In October 1722 the trustees of Yale College voted to have the colonial General Assembly grant the college its own seal. If you think that it bears a resemblance to the seal of its slightly older brother Harvard University, you are correct. Other universities too, have seals that show open books. Harvard’s was apparently used since the end of the seventeenth century, but Veritas - “Divine Truth”was not used as the centerpiece of its seal until around 1843. Prior to 1736, Yale diplomas did not show the seal, and while Harvard’s then had three Latin Words In Christi Gloriam, Yale inscribed Lux et Veritas “Light and Truth” underneath the Hebrew Urim and Tummim.

Yale likely chose the Hebrew Urim and Tummim because its scholars had access to a 1578 edition of the Genevan Bible which gives this explanation of the mysterious Hebrew words:

Urim signiheth light and Thummim perfection: declaring that the stones of the brestplate were most cleare, and of perfect beautie: by Urim also is ment knowledge & Thummim holiness, shewing what vertues are required in the Priests.

“If the early Yale graduates left the college both holy and knowledgeable,” wrote Dan Oren in his 1958 book Joining the Club: a history of Jews at Yale, and from where all this information is taken “Yale’s leaders would have been pleased.” But he continues,

Unfortunately, the 1742 Yale Library is a poor reflection of the theological character of education at Yale. As historian Richard Warch pointed out, the 1742 Library, containing a wide spectrum of authors, was far more broad-minded than the curricular fare.Therefore the above explanations remain, by themselves, unsettling. That Yale was long dedicated to producing men of knowledge and character (“holinesse”) is unquestioned. In that sense the Urim and Thummim were appropriate for the Yale mission. Placing these words in the original Hebrew testified both to their biblical origins and tied Yale to the ancient Israelites, whose position Yale theologians saw themselves as imitating. But the 1742 Library does not tie these words particularly to Yale.

Oren therefore suggested another explanation, and points to a basic theology text that was available at the time called (in translation from the original Latin title) The Abridgement of Christian Divinitie. The original Latin reads Urm & Thummim, h.e. lumina & perfectiones, Christum designabant, Verbum & Interpretem Patris, Lucem & Perfectionem nostram,” which in the 1660 translation became “Urim and Thummim, that is, light and perfection, did signify Christ the Word and Interpreter of the Father, our light and perfection.” Just as Harvard’s motto celebrated the glory of Jesus, so did Yale’s. And by translating Urim as Lux, Light, Yale was following the interpretation of the Talmud as cited by Rashi. How Tummim became Veritas, Truth is less clear. It was translated as Veritas in the 4th century Latin translation of the Bible known as Vulgate, and, Oren concludes, “by choosing to translate אורים ותמים as Lux et Veritas, perhaps, Yale insisted that its college offered the essentials of proper learning: the “light” of a liberal education and the “truth” of an old New England religious tradition.” Or perhaps this translation too, followed the explanation of Rashi: שֶׁעַל יָדוֹ הוּא מֵאִיר דְּבָרָיו וּמְתַמֵּם אֶת דְּבָרָיו -through it, it illuminates the statements made by the Breastplate, and made its words true.

Whatever Yale has recently been doing wrong, its translation of Urim VeTummim as Lux et Veritas is perfectly sensible. If only the same could be said for all of its faculty.

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Join us in NYC - Maimonides and Medicine, Wednesday Feb 21, 6.30p

For those in the NY area, please join me and my colleague Dr. Eddie Reichman at the Yeshiva University Museum this Wednesday. Details are below, and no, the event is not available remotely. Anyway, you should come see the books on display. They are spectacular.

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Talmudology on the Parsha, Terumah ~ Kinds of Gold

שמות 25:3

וְזֹאת֙ הַתְּרוּמָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר תִּקְח֖וּ מֵאִתָּ֑ם זָהָ֥ב וָכֶ֖סֶף וּנְחֹֽשֶׁת

And this is the offering which you shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,

There is a great deal of gold mentioned in this week’s parsha. First, gold is donated (Ex. 25:3). Then the Ark is covered in gold (ibid, 11), as are four special rings on each of its corners (ibid, 13). The poles that carried the Ark were plated in gold (ibid, 13), as were the two childlike forms known as the keruvim that were fashioned to face one another and placed on top of the Ark. The Table was top be overlaid with gold (ibid, 24) ditto the poles to carry it (ibid, 28) and the various dishes and spoons that sat on it were to be made of “pure gold” (ibid 29). The Menorah was to be made of gold, of course (ibid 31, and more on that in two weeks), as were the clasps that held the curtains (ibid 26:6) in the Mishkan. That’s a lot of gold for a lot of stuff.

The Talmud discusses different kinds of gold, and so for those not familiar with the chemical and medicinal properties of element 79, today on Talmudology we explore different kinds of gold.

יומא מד, ב

אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: שִׁבְעָה זְהָבִים הֵן: זָהָב, וְזָהָב טוֹב, וּזְהַב אוֹפִיר, וְזָהָב מוּפָז, וְזָהָב שָׁחוּט, וְזָהָב סָגוּר, וּזְהַב פַּרְוַיִם. שֶׁדּוֹמֶה לְפָז. זָהָב שָׁחוּט — שֶׁנִּטְוֶה כְּחוּט. זָהָב סָגוּר — בְּשָׁעָה שֶׁנִּפְתָּח כָּל הַחֲנוּיוֹת נִסְגָּרוֹת. זְהַב פַּרְוַיִם — שֶׁדּוֹמֶה לְדַם הַפָּרִים. זָהָב וְזָהָב טוֹב, דִּכְתִיב: ״וּזְהַב הָאָרֶץ הַהִוא טוֹב״. זְהַב אוֹפִיר — דְּאָתֵי מֵאוֹפִיר. זָהָב מוּפָז —

Rav Chisda said: There are seven types of gold mentioned in the Bible: Gold, and good gold, and gold of Ophir (I Kings 10:11), and glistering gold (I Kings 10:18), and shaḥut gold (I Kings 10:17), and closed gold (I Kings 10:21), and parvayim gold (II Chronicles 3:6). The Gemara explains the reason for these names: There is a distinction between gold and good gold, as it is written in the verse: “And the gold of that land is good” (Genesis 2:12), which indicates the existence of gold of a higher quality. Gold of Ophir is gold that comes from Ophir. Glistering [mufaz] gold is so named because it resembles the luster of pearls [paz] in the way it glistens. Shaḥut gold is named as such because it is very malleable and is spun like thread [shenitve keḥut]. Shaḥut is a contraction of the words shenitve keḥut. Closed gold is so called because when a shop opens to sell it, all the other shops close, as no one is interested in purchasing any other type of gold. Parvayim gold is so called because its redness resembles the blood of bulls [parim].

רַב אָשֵׁי אָמַר: חֲמִשָּׁה הֵן, וְכל חַד וְחַד אִית בֵּיהּ זָהָב וְזָהָב טוֹב. תַּנְיָא נָמֵי הָכִי: בְּכל יוֹם הָיָה זְהָבָהּ יָרוֹק, וְהַיּוֹם אָדוֹם — וְהַיְינוּ זְהַב פַּרְוַיִם שֶׁדּוֹמֶה לְדַם הַפָּרִים

Rav Ashi said: There are in fact only five types of gold, the last five in Rav Chisda’s list. Gold and good gold are not independent categories; rather, each and every one of the types of gold has two varieties: Regular gold and a superior variety called good gold. That was also taught in a baraita with regard to parvayim gold: On every other day the coal pan was made of greenish gold, but on this day it was made of a red gold, and this is the parvayim gold which resembles the blood of bulls.

Illustration drawn for Talmudology by Yosef Itzkowitz (www.yosefpaper.com)

Illustration drawn for Talmudology by Yosef Itzkowitz (www.yosefpaper.com)

Not all Gold is “gold”

We usually think of gold as being the color of, well, gold. But that’s not its only color. While pure gold is a sort of reddish yellow, gold alloys vary in color depending on the proportion of the other metals that are found in it. (An alloy is a mixture of two or more different metal elements.) So an alloy of gold and copper will be more red, while an alloy of gold and silver (or gold and other metals like nickel or palladium) will give a white looking gold. You can see how this works in the figure below:

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In addition, the purity of gold is measured in karats (also spelled carats, but certainly not carrots), where each karat is 1/24 (or 4.1667%) part of pure gold. Sixteen karat gold means that it is an alloy in which 16 parts are gold and 8 parts are another. Pure gold is, by definition, free of other metals and is therefore 24-karat (ie 24 parts out of 24) gold.

Where does “Parvayim Gold” come from?

Recent evidence suggests that gold is formed by the massive collision of neutron stars. “Every element on the periodic table heavier than bismuth…is forged by the rapid-process in these most extreme stellar surfaces” wrote the cosmochemist Tim Gregory in his 2020 book Meteorite (p.168). “This includes some of your most highly prized substances like …silver, platinum and gold.” This gold was incorporated into the earth’s mantle when the planet was being formed, and was incorporated with other metals, which is why different kinds of gold alloys may be extracted from different mines.

It is this feature that Rav Chisda and Rav Ashi were highlighting in today’s page of Talmud. Shauhut gold (זָהָב שָׁחוּט) which Rav Chisda noted to be so malleable that it could be “spun like a thread” (נִּטְוֶה כְּחוּט) was likely almost pure gold (i.e. 24 carat). Today, gold can be made into a thin sheet known as gold leaf that is an astonishing four to five millionths of an inch in thickness (0.1 to 0.125 millionths of a meter or micrometers, µm). And the “spinning into a thread” that Rav Chisda mentioned? Today it is possible to spin gold into a thread that is just one atom thick. One atom. Think about that.

Another kind of gold mentioned by Rav Chisda is Parvayim gold which was a red color that “resembled the blood of bulls” (שֶׁדּוֹמֶה לְדַם הַפָּרִים). This gold was likely an alloy with a high content of copper, (found towards the bottom right of the triangle above).

The Medicinal Qualities of Gold

The Jewish physician Abraham Portaleone was born in Mantua in 1541, and is best known for his work Shilte Hagibborim [Shields of the Mighty], in which he sought to identify the precise ingredients of the Temple incense mentioned in the famous talmudic passage called Pittum Haketoret (Grinding of the Spices). Portaleone was also very interested in pharmacology, and authored a Latin text De Auro Dialogi Tres (Three Dialogues on the Application of Gold in Medicine) about the possibilities of a medical use of gold “a topic halfway between alchemy and medical studies that still created heated scientific debate.” Here is the assessment of historian Alessandro Guetta in his 2014 work on the history of Italian Jewry:

Contemporary medical authorities were divided into two camps on this: those who denied gold’s powers and those convinced of them. Portaleone’s position lay midway between the two. In his view, the hypothesis that gold had powerful medicinal properties was true; nevertheless, it remained a mere hypothesis, since such properties do not reside within gold as we know it …but in its quintessence, a substance perfectly pure and balanced in composition. In truth, nobody had yet succeeded in extracting this essence…consequently, the long list of healings that ancient and modern doctors had attributed to attributed to the ingestion of “common gold” mixed with water or wine was the fruit of ignorance and charlatanism. As for gold’s capacity to cauterize wounds, it has this in common with many other metals with the same characteristics.

We are now some four centuries after Abraham Portaleone wrote his book about gold. And it is indeed now true that gold can be used as a medicine. Aurotherapy is used to treat some kinds of inflammatory diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, and may have a role to play in the treatment of some cancers and as an agent to improve wound healing. So to add to the Talmudic categorization of gold based on its color and malleability, we can now thankfully add another: how useful it is in treating disease.

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Bava Kamma 105b ~ Teaching By Humiliation

בבא קמא קה, ב

אמר ליה תדורא...

Rabbah said to Rav Amram : "Scatterbrain" 

As a medical student in London, humiliation came with the territory. There I was, on rounds on General Surgery Firm. At its head, the consultant surgeon, followed (in their correct pecking order) by two senior registrars, three or four registrars, several senior house officers and house officers, nurses, physiotherapists, and a couple of medical students.  We gathered around the bed of some poor patient who had recently undergone surgery. The consultant surgeon turned to me: "Mr. Brown" he said, looking at me atop of his professorial reading glasses, "how long is the anal canal?" Everyone else smiled, relieved to know they had not been asked this, rather challenging question. I had no idea, despite having once known this useful fact to pass my anatomy exams. "Thirty centimeters, sir" I replied, hopefully.  "Correct," said the surgeon, as he surveyed the menagerie of staff trailing him.  "If you are an elephant." And so ended my surgical career.

Teaching By Humiliation in the Talmud

The rabbis of the Talmud were not shy to call out those they felt were slow-witted or annoying. After Rabbi Yehudah HaNasi was asked a relatively innocent question by Levi, the great editor of the Mishnah replied כמדומה לי שאין לו מוח בקדקדו - "it appears to me that Levi has no brains in his head," an insult he repeated on at least one other occasion. Rabbi Tarfon had enough of  Rabbi Elazar when he told him "How long will you pile up meaningless  words and bring them against us." He even used the same insult against Rabbi Akivah. Rabbi Akivah! (See ילקוט שמעוני תורה פרשת בהעלותך רמז תשכה.) Rabbi Yishmael was called "a date palm" (and not in a good way) by Rabbi Eliezer (see ספרא תזריע פרשה ה).  One of my favorites, though, came from Rabbi Dosa who called his  younger brother "the first-born of Satan" (and you thought your kids had issues).  I could go on, but you get the point. These guys could be really insulting.

Pimping in the Medical Literature

For the reader who is not medically trained, here's a new word: pimping. It's a real word that is OK to use in polite company (maybe).  According to the esteemed Journal of the American Medical Association, pimping is

a series of difficult and often intentionally unanswerable questions posed to a medical student or house staff in quick succession. The objective of pimping is to teach, motivate, and involve the learner in clinical rounds while maintaining a dominant hierarchy and cultivating humility by ridding the learner of egotism.

There is an art to pimping, according to Fredrick Brancati, the man generally thought to have invented the term in its medical content. Here is an excerpt from his classic 1989 paper, called, what else, The Art of Pimping:

Pimp questions should come in rapid succession and should be essentially unanswerable. They may be grouped into five categories:

1. Arcane points of history.These facts are not taught in medical school and are irrelevant to patient care—perfect for pimping. For example, who performed the first lumbar puncture? Or, how was syphilis named?

2. Teleology and metaphysics.These questions lie outside the realm of conventional scientific inquiry and have traditionally been addressed only by medieval philosophers and the  editors of the National Enquirer. For instance, why are some organs paired?

3. Exceedingly broad questions. For example, what role do prostaglandins play in homeostasis? Or, what is the differential diagnosis of a fever of unknown origin? Even if the intern begins making good points, after 4 or 5 minutes he can be cut off and criticized for missing points he was about to mention. These questions are ideally posed in the final minutes of rounds while the team is charging down a noisy stairwell.

4. Eponyms. These questions are favored by many old-timers who have assiduously avoided learning any new developments in medicine since the germ theory. For instance, where does one find the semilunar space of Traube? 

5. Technical points of laboratory research. Even when general medical practice has become a dim and distant memory, the attending physician-investigator still knows the details of his research inside and out. For instance, how active are leukocyte-activated killer cells with or without interleukin 2 against sarcoma in the mouse model? Or, what base sequence does the restriction endonuclease EcoRI recognize?

....pimping can create a hostile environment among the team members, suppress creativity or intellectual curiosity because of fear of embarrassment, and dehumanize students at the expense of maintaining medical hegemony.
— McCarthy, CP. McEvoy, JW. Pimping Medical Education. JAMA 2015; 314 (22). 2347-2348.

 Years ago an Australian team published a paper titled "Teaching by humiliation” and mistreatment of medical students in clinical rotations. They found that 74% had experienced and 83% had witnessed teaching by humiliation during their adult clinical rotations; smaller proportions had experienced (29%) or witnessed (45%) it during their pediatric rotations, which just proves what everyone already knows.  Pediatricians are all nice. All this pimping comes with a down side. "Students’ responses to these practices" wrote the Australian researchers, "ranged from disgust and regret about entering the medical profession to endorsement of teachers’ public exposure of a student’s poor knowledge. Reported victims and perpetrators included junior medical staff, who were subjected to the practices as much as students and were equally likely to be the perpetrators, alongside senior medical and nursing staff."

As a deeply ingrained cultural, institutionalised practice, mistreatment requires focused action to replace the existing culture with one of compassion, tolerance and respect.
— Scott, KM. et al. “Teaching by humiliation” and mistreatment of medical students in clinical rotations: a pilot study. Medical Journal of Australia 2015; 203(4): 1-6

Talmudic Insults and Respect for the talmid

In today's page of Talmud, Rabbah called Rav Amram תדורא, a scatterbrain. In fact he called him a scatterbrain again (in the next tractate we will learn), so I guess he really meant it.  This epithet seems to have been the "moron' of its day. Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba called Rebbi Zeira a scatterbrain, and  even the great Abayye must have felt a little miffed when he was called a scatterbrain by Rava bar Hannan.  

It seems demeaning to use language like this, and out of place given the words of the Mishnah (Avot 2:10) יהי כבוד חבירך חביב עליך כשלך - "let your friend's honor be as important to you as your own." Rabbi Yair Chaim Bachrach (Germany, 1638-1732) addressed talmudic insults in his book of responsa called Chavvot Yair, first published in 1699. Apparently things were getting out of hand in Germany, where the talmudic art of humiliating had evolved. Yeshivah students now also yelled and gesticulated rather enthusiastically as they sparred with their learning partners:

 מש"כ קפיצה וסיפוק וריקוד תוך הפלפול איש נגד רעהו שזה גורם בלי ספק שחבירו ימהר לעשות כמעשהו וירקוד ג"כ כנגדו וירים קולו בצעקה גדולה ומרה יותר ולא ישמע איש שפת חבירו ואין זה רק מנהג יהוא וכל המרבה בה ה"ז משוגע 

Students jump and dance around each other in the middle of expounding a subject, and this will cause, without doubt, that other students will do the same and will leap and raise their voices in a louder and more bitter cry. No one will be able to listen to the voice of his partner. This is nothing other than a ridiculous custom, and anyone who does this often is a mesgugah...  

Rabbi Bachrach then rose to the defense of those who used talmudic insults, claiming that they did so with only good intentions. They did it, he said, in order to bring out the very best they could in those they insulted. Hmmm. I'm not convinced.

Insults don't work, not for medial students and not for any students.  Ad hominem attacks are also unlikely to elevate the quality of an argument. In the run up to the US presidential elections later this year we are likely to see more of both forms of  disrespect, though they usually say more about the person uttering them than the person against whom they are directed.  

תנו רבנן: שלשה שונאין זה את זה, אלו הן: הכלבים, והתרנגולין, והחברין. ויש אומרים: אף הזונות. ויש אומרים: אף תלמידי חכמים שבבבל
The rabbis taught: three groups hate each other: Dogs, roosters, and sorcerers. Some say: so do prostitutes. And others say: so do the sages in Babylon...
— פסחים דף קיג עמוד ב
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